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3B intake and cam swap project.

3.2K views 19 replies 11 participants last post by  JShadzi  
#1 ·
I've been curious about how my 20v would respond to a couple of changes, particularly more intake plenum volume and a 7A exhaust cam, without any change in turbo, exhaust, or chiptuning.

The 7A exhaust cam is obvious, more lift and duration. Supposedly enough that it hurts turbo spool... more on that later.

The intake in question is a spare 3B part I had laying around. I cut it open and removed the bolt passthrough bosses from the inside, then had it put back together with a raised roof, sorta like an RS2 intake for a hell of a lot less.... not as pretty either.

When installed it looked like this.....

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Notice the "professional" tig work... the "professional" who did it bitched about how bad the casting quality was. Also notice how the end differs from the revised version below. Version 2.0 came about because I have a nice dent in my hood from a pair of launches. :(

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The welding on the revised area was done by Kevin at DTR in Florence KY while still installed. Notice how much cleaner the welds are and his actual welding time was less than 5 minutes!

The results of both were about what I suspected and go against what many say of the 7A exhaust cam.

Turbo spool... its changed alright, it hits HARDER. The large plenum volume could account for some of this but not all.

Midrange torque... oh yeah, much more. I was leaving 15ft stripes on the road the other night during some heavy launches... I run 235/45's on all 4 corners... Before the change I could barely keep the car from bogging on a launch unless I was slipping the clutch.

Drivability... improved, part throttle boost response is slightly quicker.

Fuel mileage... it improved a hair but I also installed new plugs that day so its probably a wash.

High RPM pull... the K24 bottleneck I hate so much is still there but its not quite as pronounced.

I'm very pleased with the results. :)

Next up... I have this K26 with an odd center section..... :wink:
 
#3 ·
Jonathan said:
Nice work and good thinking, Keith. Why not the 7A intake cam as well? Are the intakes actually the same?
Cause he's stubborn!
 
#6 ·
Jonathan wrote:
Nice work and good thinking, Keith. Why not the 7A intake cam as well? Are the intakes actually the same?

Ronald G Wainwright+ wrote:
Cause he's stubborn!

In my quest to turbo my 7A, researching, and in talking with Nate, the 7A cams are actually a good choice for a turbo application. maybe moreso that the 3b.

Just my $.02
 
#7 ·
Henka said:
So you installed a 7A with no mapping or tuning?? If so - cooool!

BTW - way-way cooler to have a built manifold than some RS2 unit that anyone can buy...
No Henka..Keith installed a 7A Exhaust cam in his 91 200 20v.

& that mani sure is nice.
 
#9 ·
pickandpray said:
so when will 034 start selling something like that? Just need an extra manifold, modify it and sell it with a core return for the next one.

I think I'd get in line for one of those..... Javad? Keith?
Actually...... I cut open my original manifold today to do the same mod to it. :D This one will be much nicer since Kevin will be doing all the welding and I did some smoothing to get started on a good cleaning and polishing job.

The reason I didnt install both cams is because I really wanted to see what the manifold/exhaust cam combo would do. I think installing the intake cam will cost me more midrange torque than I'm willing to give up. But I'll do the install eventually...just to see. :wink:
 
#11 ·
Ronald G Wainwright+ said:
Henka said:
So you installed a 7A with no mapping or tuning?? If so - cooool!

BTW - way-way cooler to have a built manifold than some RS2 unit that anyone can buy...
No Henka..Keith installed a 7A Exhaust cam in his 91 200 20v.

& that mani sure is nice.
So I'll ask again, this time a wee bit clearer - so you installed a 7A EXHAUST CAM with no mapping or tuning? If so - cool...
 
#12 ·
Oh I gotcha Henka....it's a direct swap from my understanding.
 
#15 ·
Yeah I agree...I had 2 sets..one is in my stroker head & the other Keith has..but he only used the Exhaust cam...hopefully he does install the Intake cam as well...sometime after he gets me that freaking intake for my V8tt.
 
#16 ·
SeStone said:
Stick the 3B cam back in, for science, and see what the difference is. One variable at a time! Or reinstall a 3B IM, maybe easier.

Sam
I already know the 7A exhaust cam causes a torque loss when used by itself and I already know increasing plenum volume up a point increases torque. The real point was would the combination retain torque while increasing top end. I've been reading around for a while and hadnt found anyone who had done both changes in combination on a relatively stock setup.

I had the spare intake to play with, I had the cam, and I was coming due for a TB service...what better time to play? :)

Next will be the 7A intake cam since it can be changed without moving the TB.
 
#19 ·
I didnt make a measurement but I'm guessing somewhere around a 33% plenum volume increase. A stock 3B intake has a much smaller plenum than a RS2.

No I didn't need to remap for the cam or Intake swap. A remap of would of course take full advantage of the breathing improvements but I'm not ready to spend $1300 and take a drive to CT to have it done at this level.
 
#20 ·
pickandpray said:
so when will 034 start selling something like that? Just need an extra manifold, modify it and sell it with a core return for the next one.

I think I'd get in line for one of those..... Javad? Keith?
We can perform mods like this for anyone who's interested, just contact us.

Looking good Keith 8)

Thanks,