I saved a couple of pics of this 12v turbo setup, does anyone know anything about it? Has anyone turbo a 12v?

One of the words that comes to mind, is Cluster F**K

that's really interesting. one turbo? backwards? at least for the most part.

how old are those pictures? there is a blue b4 in the local junkyard that was rumored to once have a 12v turbo setup. Does not have a motor now.

It may not be pretty, but I remember from the 12v forums it putting down about 400hp. Can't remember if it was whp or chp. Either way it was quite a bump up from NA form.

wow those pipes are really low, would hate to be driving that car and rip the exhaust out the bottom.

Google "Fox Kit Car" or maybe Jose Vincente or Sakis Hadjiminas.

Eurosport Manhattan built a semi-infamous VW Fox that was AWD and used a 12v with a pair of turbos (with 24mm restrictors!) and later a single turbo, and still later natural aspiration.

From what I gather, it had problems more often than it didn't, but when it was running strong, it was RUNNING STRONG.

Later, those guys fixed an Impreza's drivetrain issues by swapping an 016 and other Audi bits in it. I still want to know how they rigged up a starter.

yah now that would be good to know

I quite like the idea of turboing the 12v, they are cheap and plentiful, could do the piping abit tidier and flip the intake manifold to have the tb at the front

I know the car you're talking about and have heard the same.. the car pictured doesn't have the white engine bay though

ah right, that one in Ratties was nogaro sprayed over white right? You know anything more about that car?

Not even sure it was nogaro, but yea could be. I didn't get any info other than it was a 12vt and was owned by someone in st. albans

There's still a part of me that wants a clean B4 with black sport cloth... turbo is always nice. For the sake of a 12v though, I'd probably remote mount it.

Hey all, I post on Dubsnorth as vr6inside. You Vermont guys may recognize me. I worked on that Nogaro B4 back in my dealership days when I was in VT, and I remember it having the white bay. It wasnt turbo'd then but it had euro lights and some wacky body kit as I recall. This was around '02-'03.

edit: didnt realize this was my first post. Guess I've been lurking quite a while.

The pictures of a car from Canada. The owner was a customer of mine from way back in the day. I probably still have pictures and emails from the owner. I believe his name was Rob.



There goes the neighborhood...

I think that Fox Wagon was a 30v V6.

Brendan

Every rumor about the Sakis Hadjiminas fox says it was a 12v fire breathing monster that sometimes got asthma

Well there you go. Thanks for the clarification. I thought '99 passats had the 30v.

Brendan

Anyone know of any other 12v turbo;s?

I remember seeing those pics in the 12v forum on AW a long time ago.

seems cool but there isnt much support for the 12v at all. if it were me I would look for a 30v (which I'm sure are getting cheap now) and use 2.7T parts and even ECU/harness wth a tune, on it.

probably wouldn't cost much more than (properly) engineering a turbo setup for the 12v and will just be a lot cleaner.

screw the ecu.

12v or 30v tuning formula that works.

stack headgaskets, upsize injectors 30%

remote mount the turbo under the rear seat, toss the resonators.

plumb a good catchcan separator, and run its vent line to the turbo inlet or to atmosphere depending on what you like.
make sure the rest of the intake system is ok for boost. dont forget a decent scavange pump for the turbo oil return.

run a greddy emanage ultimate connect it to intercept the ignition and fuel lines, add a map sensor and you are ready to tune. also needed is an ignition line impeadance chip (i can show you how to make it for 50 cents)
the emanage ultimate gives 100% total control over the fuel and timing is adjustable aswell, even valve timing if equipped! the only thing you need to do is modulate the maf signal so the engine does throw codes.
its like stand alone that uses the stock ecu for the simpler duties.

once everything is running, start tuning the turbo by changing the A/R ratio with different exhaust housings. boom done.

i do not know how it could be cheaper or simpler. you virtually need next to nothing in fab or hardware and it can be installed on any v6 or smaller cylinder count vehicle in a weekend if you have all the parts. and the best part is you retain alot of factory components and tuning for awesome reliability and simplicty in tuning, starting, warmup, driving, idling, cruise efficiency and emissions.

OH YES THE BITCHNG AWeSOME PART!! 100%%%%%% OBD2 COMPATIBLE!!! the emission man can come but he is not gonna find anything if you know what you are doing.

cool info nate!

I wonder if you could also do a bit more primitive like I am on my M30 BMW... Begi FMU, bit bigger injectors (24s up from 19s), moates/ostrich 2.0 eprom emulator to adjust AFR targets... I'm using a real turbo mani but a rear mount would be possible.

your way is cleaner but I went with the way I have seen done more, I like the idea of emanage though, cant beat having a MAP sensor with forced induction...

The emanage ultimate will work with basically ANY ecu on the planet. I've seen ford escorts, honda preludes, and cavelier/sunfires turbo'd with the more primitive things even primitive interceptors like the "darling" apexi AFC but they are all worthless when trying to make it work perfectly. They all suffered from drivability problems, improper or incomplete tuning, and more often then not, screaming check engine lamps.
The only real way to do it is with standalone or an interceptor capable of remapping the injector lines and ignition lines directly like a greddy emanage ultimate. Basically the EM/U uses the ignition lines and injector lines as a "suggested amount, suggested time" input, and it does its thing changing it when needed or leaving it be when not needed. Its great because of the amount of features the thing has packed into it.

I dunno how but i scored an amazing deal by getting mine with the universal harness and map sensor for 500 dollars. I just checked and prices for those things have skyrocketed. Considering what it is, I'd still pay a grand for it, especially if i was for a car that had to be OBD2 compliant.

The only thing I dislike about it is it doesnt really have boost control (but you can cheat and make it do it).

You are correct, Passats and A4's both got the 30v mid-year 1998..

Nate,
I wonder how difficult it would be to fit the V6 ECM from a GM vehicle. The system allows GOBS of tuning possibilities and OBD II compliance. I'm sure a Gen 4 Camaro/Firebird setup could be pared down to pretty slim and installed without too much difficulty.

Eric