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THE 01E swap into a b3/b4 chassis thread....

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 27, 2009 10:07 am 
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so, i know there are a few out there that have done this, but the info is scattered throughout this fine site here, so i figured those who have done it, and those who are planning to do it, could post all their info in here in one place for everyone.

my chassis: 1990 90q20v
i have a donor 2001 b5s4, and i will be taking the tranny out of that as well as the shifter box, rod setup and im looking for a 4kq driveshaft, and that'll be that.

hopefully everyone can compile their setups in here to help others do the swap.


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yes i was wondering also if anyone had any info or pics on modding the shift linkage to get it to fit.

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there are a few pics in fasterthenrs2's build thread, he put that b5s4 shift box into his CQ. ill be taking pics once i embark on the swap, but that may not be until next calendar year.

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what about the mounts? On my coupe i had to use different trans mounts...I not sure on the 90q20v's tho.


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You need RS2 mounts for the tranny if you want it to mate up to the stock mouts (mostly). You'll still need a ~40mm spacer on the driver side tranny mount up to the trans bracket, or get a V6 subframe and it'll all line up perfectly with the RS2 mounts.

The shift linkage can be done very, very easily with your stock shifter. Just use the B5S4 selector rod, cut the half-cupped mounting point off the shifter end and rotate it 180 degrees, weld it back on and you're done.

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i will be making custom mounts for the tranny to the subframe, pretty much following exactly what Aaron (speedingg60) and fasterthers2 made for theirs.

when you say stock shifter here you mean what i already have in the car at the moment? or if you were to use the stock b5s4 shift box setup?

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The shift linkage can be done very, very easily with your stock shifter. Just use the B5S4 selector rod, cut the half-cupped mounting point off the shifter end and rotate it 180 degrees, weld it back on and you're done.

is that it? no shortening required? do you need to run the stabilizer at all or not? I was wondering if I could use the stock b3 jhm shifter I have and somehow make that work. I love the precise shifting I have now, and I dont want to loose it when I upgrade to an 01e.

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I'll be running the JHM B3 shifter, the urS6 shift rod (with flipped shifter end), no stabilizer rod, custom 1-piece driveshaft, custom trans mounts by 034, 016 output flanges.

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you got any pics of that setup yet Mark? id like to keep my JHM shifter that i have, but if i need to use the b5s4 box, ill do what i have to do.

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you got any pics of that setup yet Mark? id like to keep my JHM shifter that i have, but if i need to use the b5s4 box, ill do what i have to do.


No, no pics yet. The mounts won't be ready for 3-4 weeks, and I'd rather wait until I get everything together before modifying the linkage.

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the 016 output flanges are part number 088 409 355C correct? i was looking around some of the local yards and most of the bolt in flanges were that exact same part number....aside from the letter designation at the end being a different letter.

i know what works, im just trying to throw things out there cause if the flanges can be found on other vechiles, it will make the swap that much easier for others.

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the urS6 shift rod (with flipped shifter end)
The UrS car stuff is all backwards if you want to keep the B3 style shifter. A lot of it hits the tunnel too, IIRC. You need to run a shifter with the ball at on the bottom side of the selector input at the tranny if you want to use B3 style shifter geometry. Otherwise your pattern will be upside down.

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zerb wrote:
i was looking around some of the local yards and most of the bolt in flanges were that exact same part number....aside from the letter designation at the end being a different letter.
That means they different parts, and without measurements never assume they're even close. 'Just a letter' off can be worlds apart.

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The shift linkage can be done very, very easily with your stock shifter. Just use the B5S4 selector rod, cut the half-cupped mounting point off the shifter end and rotate it 180 degrees, weld it back on and you're done.

is that it? no shortening required? do you need to run the stabilizer at all or not?
Thats it, no shortening required, no need for the stabilizer bar, as there are no provisions for it on a B3.

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i do know that the fastest Coupe/S2 car in the world has a stock(ish) 01E 6 speed (Quaife front diff, locked center diff) and uses the 01A style shifter....

FWIW.

other than that i got nothing but the normal.

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Any real S2/RS2 with an 01E in it from the factory has almost the exact same shifter as all the 'normal' 01A cars, just the reverse lockout is moved, and I believe you can just flip the 01A base 180 degrees and get the reverse push-down lockout in the same place.

My 90 has an S2 01E shifter in it, looks exactly the same as the stock one, 'cept for the reverse thing.

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Sweetness, cause I didn't wanna get rid of my JHM shifter either with this swap here. And forgive my ignorance here but when you talk about the stabilizer bar you mean the bar that just runs from the tranny case to the shift box but doesn't do anything as far as shifting is concerned?

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yes, thats what I am referring to as the stabilizer bar

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So next to an S2 //RS2 is the B5S4 box (plus linkage) then thing to look for?

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any 01E 6 speed... B5S4 is the popular one we can get easily-ish here in USA.

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sounds like just the selector rod is needed if you dont mind modifying it.

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its looking that way yes. it seems you can even keep the stock b3 shifter setup in the car and just modify the b5s4 shift rod. the shifter rod is on te bottom of this pic, the bar on the top is what i think everyone is referring to as the stabilizer bar (i hope, lol)

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remember the tunnel clearancing i did. but then again, i used the UrS4 shifter stuff to make my life simpler.... its easier for me to cut and weld than to kill myself with aligning issues of linkage. i have BTDT and it sucked bigtime.

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RSCoupe wrote:
the urS6 shift rod (with flipped shifter end)
The UrS car stuff is all backwards if you want to keep the B3 style shifter. A lot of it hits the tunnel too, IIRC. You need to run a shifter with the ball at on the bottom side of the selector input at the tranny if you want to use B3 style shifter geometry. Otherwise your pattern will be upside down.



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Morning Javad,

I have a question about your JHM “SOLID” Short Throw Shifter, B3/B4 Chassis; will this work with an 01E 5-speed? I see it says it fits the S2 and RS2, which had 01E's.

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Hey Mark, absolutely, a direct fit for your car and will adapt to 01E style linkage, this is a slick piece, definitely worthy of your car ;-)

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Will I need to get anything else in order for this to adapt? I now have the 01E, with the shift rods, but I don''t have the 01E shifter assembly.

What have you guys been doing for mounts and drive shaft and shift linkage lengths when putting an 01E in a B3/B4?

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Depends what linkage you have, but for example, this shifter will bolt into an OEM RS2.

What we've been doing lately is using B5 S4 linkage and ball assembly at the tranny, then you cut and flip the mounting cup for the shifter and it all literally bolts up.

You'll need a 4kq driveshaft

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