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PostPosted: Sat Feb 13, 2016 2:12 pm 
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So I was recommended to come here by a previous owner of my car. Some history as I know it.

I bought this car a week ago. I bought it with it not running but it had a solid body. When turning over, I heard the unmistakable clunk of a rod issue. So I bought it for $1200 and got it loaded up on the trailer.

I have a WH1C for it to be put on. I'm looking for people's experience in which rods and pistons I need to build a reliable bottom end for 1000hp. The Holset is to tide me over till I get a 400 framed Borg.

I see some I-beams but I don't know which to buy.

Whose pistons are best for this? Stock rings or something better?

I'm assuming stock rod bearings will be fine unless you guys know otherwise.

I'm coming from the Cummins world where evening is ok up to 800hp then it's a rod change with modified stock pistons.

Thanks everyone.

Also, any good build threads to read?


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PostPosted: Sat Feb 13, 2016 3:57 pm 
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1000hp is a lofty goal.

You'll need gear box love, engine love, and well a fat wallet.

Rods, pistons, arp hardware, headwork, 01E swap, etc

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 13, 2016 5:56 pm 
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I'm not above lowering the goal but I want the bottom end to be built once. I don't want to put it together and then later have to tear it apart for anything other than a refresh.


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Ok, Why not 07k Swap? Iroz is doing some great things with the newer Audi motor. The head flows much better. http://www.irozmotorsport.com/
And I am subscribing to this one...

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and coming from the cummins world you may not be happy with the powerband of a 1000hp 2.2ish.....just a wild guess on that though.

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A 1000hp Cummins is peaky. You usually only have maybe 1200rpm of power.

Doing a lot of reading, I'm lowering the goal to 600hp for now.


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Even up to 1000hp all you need is rods, and to get your stock pistons coated.
and obviously all new bearings while youre in there, these motors need a ton of head work though.
At that power level its more about little details in block preparation and assembly than it is just components.
for 600hp IE H-beam rods are a good option, EFI express sells rifle drilled I-beams for a bit more though.

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gabriel.b wrote:
Even up to 1000hp all you need is rods, and to get your stock pistons coated.


Got a link or dyno slip to substantiate this? :roll: What fuel?

Plenty many examples of failures around the 550hp range on stock forged pistons due to ring land failure.

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What are you going to do about the paint job? :hide:

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A good wash, buff, and polish. Gotta be unique here. :D


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Nice pick up man. I was eyeballing that for a while. I'm just across the lake in SW Michigan. I know a few people have run scat rod with good luck. I've had really good experiences with Integrated Engineering. I would spring for the extra rifle drilling too. Throw in a 7A cam in when the heads off with some studs, coat the pistons, water/meth or e85 and see where your at. Sounds like your goals are pretty close to what I was hoping for too.

p.s. build threads

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=51102" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; (check the turbo out on page 2)

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=38644" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Hope to see it around and running soon! :cheers:


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That turbo in Zachs thread is a WH1C.


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Oldestof11 wrote:
That turbo in Zachs thread is a WH1C.


Yea. If you could get a hold of him, he might be good to bounce ideas off of, or possibly if he has any words of guidance of things he ran into or what he did, that could help out too. :thumbsup:


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PRY4SNO wrote:
gabriel.b wrote:
Even up to 1000hp all you need is rods, and to get your stock pistons coated.


Got a link or dyno slip to substantiate this? :roll: What fuel?

Plenty many examples of failures around the 550hp range on stock forged pistons due to ring land failure.



hank had ringland failure at over 625 awhp, which is probably around ~750chp

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Hybrid_Hatch wrote:
PRY4SNO wrote:
gabriel.b wrote:
Even up to 1000hp all you need is rods, and to get your stock pistons coated.


Got a link or dyno slip to substantiate this? :roll: What fuel?

Plenty many examples of failures around the 550hp range on stock forged pistons due to ring land failure.



hank had ringland failure at over 625 awhp, which is probably around ~750chp


625 is too close to 600 for me.


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For that kind of goal and already needing to replace the engine 07K seems like a no-brainer. Get Hank to build you an 07K with an EFR.

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Appears to be IL plates in the background. Chicagoland was my old stomping ground.

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Dr. Mike wrote:
Appears to be IL plates in the background. Chicagoland was my old stomping ground.

I bought it in Chicago and I live 2 hours west.

I-beam vs H-beam rods... Last decision I need to make before purchasing.


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what did you decide? I think John is right the 07K is a better option nowadays for a 5 cyl build

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I-beams for sure. Stronger design


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