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PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2016 9:20 pm 
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Well, it's been quite a while since my last update and have a bit to share for anyone who reads this.

First off, I picked up another one of my idol cars. It's a 1991 Lancia Delta Integrale 16v! It's in fantastic shape and couldn't be happier with it.

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Also, the quattro won Best in Show and the New German Performance Speed and Style award at the 2016 VAG Fest in York, PA. Very surprised with that. To me, I put in all the time and money not to win shows, but to keep these awesome pieces of history available for people to see in person and not just on the internet. If I can convert just one person to a rally fan when I take it out, then it's all worth it.

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So thats the good news. On to the Bad news.

The quattro has been dead in the water for a few months now. It will crank but not start. I'm getting the "maverick" spark. I'm in the process (slowly) of going through the wiring and sensors on the engine. Phil Payne's website is proving quite invaluable.

mechanical timing checked, all seems to be fine
RPM sensor checked, seems to be working fine
Ignition switch replaced (again) with not a cheap Chinese unit
Intake air temp checked, seems fine
TDC sensor seems to be working fine too
New distributor rotor, cap
Hall sensor plastic is broken coming out of the distributor- new hall sensor on order
I'll be replacing all the vacuum lines this weekend as well

I'm very close to saying screw it and just go full standalone ECU, EFI and ignition. This has been my plan all along. The car has been running great so it really was never in the forefront. Now that I'm having these issues, its certainly swaying me towards that. The car is not stock. It hasn't been stock for over 30 years. Does a part of me want a fully stock urQ? YES, but I also love this car and realize it will never be a stock urQ again so I don't feel bad about changing things on it (to make it more reliable.)

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 02, 2016 9:47 pm 
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Damn, I knew I should have gone to that show this year! I live about 10 min fro the fairgrounds.

Hope you can get it running again soon! It's a beautiful car.

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What standalone ECU, EFI and ignition are you considering Cameron? We will be going the same route with our Quattro Squad 83. My students are familiar with Megasquirt from their Formula SAE builds but I am familiar with none. I have a Pectal in the World Challenge Focus but have never talked to it nor had the engine running.

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Tim seems to love his VEMS setup. I'm not going for huge power. The 10v is not going anywhere. I'd be happy with 250-300 crank HP. Also want to eventually go with the group 4 intake manifold. Can't do that with CIS! I'd like to keep it looking like it was built in that era ya know?

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impretzle wrote:
Tim seems to love his VEMS setup. I'm not going for huge power. The 10v is not going anywhere. I'd be happy with 250-300 crank HP. Also want to eventually go with the group 4 intake manifold. Can't do that with CIS! I'd like to keep it looking like it was built in that era ya know?

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Well, after much debate I have decided to take the plunge and go EFI. I'll be going with a VEMS system from EFI Express. Started to break things down today. Having the correct tool to pull the CIS injectors made life very easy. I'll be replacing all the vacuum lines as well. Maybe one day the engine will come out and get a good once over. That won't be now. Need to keep this project within budget...trying to save for a new house in a few years...

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We're you able to locate the solid lifter head injector adaptors? I just looked, and 034 doesn't seem to habe them on their site anymore.

Where in MD are you? I'd love to come down and lend a hand.

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Awesome move.

Don't get a house. Houses are money pits. Get another quattro. That's where the smart money is. Or did I get that the wrong way round. I'll get back to you.

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Well, after much debate I have decided to take the plunge and go EFI. I'll be going with a VEMS system from EFI Express. Started to break things down today. Having the correct tool to pull the CIS injectors made life very easy. I'll be replacing all the vacuum lines as well. Maybe one day the engine will come out and get a good once over. That won't be now. Need to keep this project within budget...trying to save for a new house in a few years...

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DE80q wrote:
We're you able to locate the solid lifter head injector adaptors? I just looked, and 034 doesn't seem to habe them on their site anymore.

Where in MD are you? I'd love to come down and lend a hand.

Haven't figured that out yet. Marc told me he could have some made to fit if the digifont ones don't. I'm in Frederick. Are you close by?

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team illuminata wrote:
Awesome move.

Don't get a house. Houses are money pits. Get another quattro. That's where the smart money is. Or did I get that the wrong way round. I'll get back to you.

impretzle wrote:
Well, after much debate I have decided to take the plunge and go EFI. I'll be going with a VEMS system from EFI Express. Started to break things down today. Having the correct tool to pull the CIS injectors made life very easy. I'll be replacing all the vacuum lines as well. Maybe one day the engine will come out and get a good once over. That won't be now. Need to keep this project within budget...trying to save for a new house in a few years...

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I have a townhouse now. I severely need a larger garage! Plus maybe some other big life purchases/decisions will be coming in the next few years!

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I'm up in York PA, but I think it would be worth the drive to come down and see this thing up close, and lend a hand.

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Congrats on the Lancia!
Japanese market car, those are the best to get.

I had a '91 for a little while, amazing cars.
Mine had too many skeletons in the closet so I let it go.

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DE80q wrote:
I'm up in York PA, but I think it would be worth the drive to come down and see this thing up close, and lend a hand.


When I get the new harness, I'm sure I'll need a helping hand. This is my first time working on a project this big!

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sepp wrote:
Congrats on the Lancia!
Japanese market car, those are the best to get.

I had a '91 for a little while, amazing cars.
Mine had too many skeletons in the closet so I let it go.


This delta may have been owned previously by a member here ;). Interestingly enough, the delta and my quattro were owned by the same person about 6 years ago! Unfortunately, he is no longer with us. :( It's a great car. I understand all the Lancia hype now.

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It's going to get worse before it gets better. Started working on the harness tonight. Most of it will no longer be needed.

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More coming out! Keeping only a few wires from the old harness.

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Looks so much better already.

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More coming out! Keeping only a few wires from the old harness.

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It's amazing how much space the CIS takes up! The next fun part will be fitting all the EFI parts.

I don't recall you having installed an intake spacer, I'm not sure on UrQ engine, but I needed one on my MC.

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DE80q wrote:
It's amazing how much space the CIS takes up! The next fun part will be fitting all the EFI parts.

I don't recall you having installed an intake spacer, I'm not sure on UrQ engine, but I needed one on my MC.


Yes, you are right. I haven't fitted a phenolic spacer yet. I'm thinking I might get one anyway just for a little extra clearance.

Next up,

Remove intake manifold
Remove injector seats
Figure out what new injector seats will work
Install EFI components
Done
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Injector seats are a bit tricky. 034 doesn't sell the EFI ones for the solid lifter head anymore. The digifont ones do not fit- too small. Luckily, EFI express is helping me find a solution to this problem.

In the mean time, I've finally installed that nice rally valve cover I bought last year. Had an oil cap bung welded on. Also test fitted the fuel rail and will start building the fuel lines this week.

I will have to tweak the throttle cable mount just a bit to fit.

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Funny how it goes from just a simple EFI conversion to refurbing the head, and most of the engine bay while I'm in there. I've mostly been updating on my instagram account and not here. So I'm sorry for not updating this more frequently. Since my last post a lot has happened. Pictures really will tell the story better. Basically, at the beginning I was adamant that I didnt want to tear the engine apart. Well, I had no choice, a few stripped bolts, some other issues and juts like that the head is off. It's at the machine shop getting a valve job and some other stuff done to it. In the meantime I'm cleaning up the block, going to paint and make it look as best I can without taking it out of the car. I'm finally at the point where putting things back in might be in the near future. EFI Express made a beautiful harness for me. It's about as "plug n play" as you can get. Marc has helped me quite a bit with this project. LUCKILY i was able to find a set of new old stock 034 solid head injector bungs. This was really the missing puzzle piece needed to really get everything together. I've also decided to go with a new intake manifold- which adds some work but I think it'll be quite worth it. Remember- I'm going for a rally replica build here on a normal persons budget.

On a side note- I met some fellow URQ owners while I was on a trip in California. Always a good time meeting members of our small family!

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WOW! I really want one of those! I'm glad to see you moving along on this. I was starting to wonder if we would see it at Carlisle again this year, but this answers that question.

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Shots from VAG Fair last year.
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DE80q wrote:
WOW! I really want one of those! I'm glad to see you moving along on this. I was starting to wonder if we would see it at Carlisle again this year, but this answers that question.


Yeah.... I was really hoping to be done by now. As with every project multiply estimated time x4500 and then you might be close. I will be at carlisle and my integrale will be there as well. Maybe the weather will hold out this year???

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