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Really enjoying looking at this build.
That rally dash is a really cool piece

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With the cage complete the shell is now in storage up north awaiting the wide body kit so we thought "what should we do next?" We'll, we ordered a carbon/kevlar wide body kit of course: Should arrive from Europe in 6-8 weeks.

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Of course we do have lots of parts to refurbish so we started to look at those and figure out how to go about things. First we pulled out our collection of Hella 2000 lights.

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we have about 10 lights in various conditions, beams finishes and levels of completeness and we need 6 pristine black ones, preferabley two spots, two driving and two fogs. Then we'll need some brackets to mount them. Like these ideally:

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We also pulled out the brake parts we got with the project: Refurbished G60 twin piston calipers. ATE brake discs and refurbished stock rear calipers. We also got new rear rubber lines and front stainless lines. We still need to source front caliper brackets and probably some better pads. There's also a theory that our brake discs might be a little big for the G60 calipers. Once we figure it all out we'll send them off for plating or powder coating.

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Still trying to inventory all the left over parts for USE, SELL or SAPRES:

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Does the UrQ use a different carrier for the G60's then what would be found on the 5k/200 or even the CQ/B4?

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Does the UrQ use a different carrier for the G60's then what would be found on the 5k/200 or even the CQ/B4?


I don't know but I don't think so. Do you have some?

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Does the UrQ use a different carrier for the G60's then what would be found on the 5k/200 or even the CQ/B4?


I don't know but I don't think so. Do you have some?

Yep, I have a spare pair. The calipers in with them were from a large chassis, so I swapped out for the correctly oriented small chassis calipers. I do know that the carriers are the same though.

The reason I asked about the possibility of them being different, is because IIRC, the 4kq used a different bolt bolt spacing on its calipers than the typ44 or typ89.

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All this nomenclature is a bit of a mistery to me. Would it help id I measured the bolt spacing on our struts?

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Yes, if you can get me a center line measurment of the 2 bolts that hold the carrier to the knuckle, I can check the G60 carriers for you.

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That wide body is going to look awesome. Especially that hood! looking foward to see how you graft it on there.

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That wide body is going to look awesome. Especially that hood! looking foward to see how you graft it on there.



Me too. GULP!

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Wow! Custom control arms ?

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team illuminata wrote:
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That wide body is going to look awesome. Especially that hood! looking foward to see how you graft it on there.



Me too. GULP!


I'll be right there with you in the coming months, using the ACM.SE kit.


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Does the UrQ use a different carrier for the G60's then what would be found on the 5k/200 or even the CQ/B4?


I don't know but I don't think so. Do you have some?

Yep, I have a spare pair. The calipers in with them were from a large chassis, so I swapped out for the correctly oriented small chassis calipers. I do know that the carriers are the same though.

The reason I asked about the possibility of them being different, is because IIRC, the 4kq used a different bolt bolt spacing on its calipers than the typ44 or typ89.



Our bolt spacing seems to be 95mm. Does this match yours? We actually borrowed one off a friend to test fit last night:

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This week at Quattro Squad we started to get our head around the refurbishment projects and alocated some to a couple of the students. Matt took on the struts and brake calipers. The struts are almost complete as the previous owner installed new bearings and Koni dampers, had them powder coated and sourced a coilover kit. More on that later. He also provided varoius remanufactured brake calipers as noted earlier. We are missing caliper calipers for the front twin piston calipers so our friend Werner lent us a set he has in his parts stash to test fit. Now we know what we need and that our pads and dicss will all work together.

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Unfortunately it seems our remanufactured rear calipers are not correct as the handbrake cable and brake line connection will both interfere with the axle. We think they are off a 4000 or similar but fortunately remanufacturd Quattro calipers seem to be still available.

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Josh started pulling the various OE parts we need to retain some sort of ventilation and heating system in the car. Apparantyl we need the patr of the dash pad adjacent to the windscreen and the heater box to do this. We spent a good 2 hours of time trying to figure out what part was missing that would connect the defrost air outlet in the heater to the defrost air inlet in the bottom of the dash pad.

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We couldn't find anything in any parts diagrams nor a stray bit of plastic in our parts bins that seemd to do the job. We were stumped until we stumbled upon this picture from earlier in the build:

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in it you can clearly see that the dash pad mates to the hole in the body work and the heater box mounts below. e couldn't find a missing piece because we weren't missing a piece. DOH!


and then today our seats arrived form Corbeau USA. [url="https://teamilluminata.com/collections/seats/products/corbeau-sprint-fia-fixed-back-seat?variant=1580851012"]FIA carbon/kevlar SPRINT model[/url] in regular and wide sizes.

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Recent Quattro Squad gatherings have looked more like meetings of the Mono Squad what with exams and scheduling conflicts. Still, we have made some progress.

We got the bushings pressed out of the front subframe. We had to burn them first as the bolts were seized in place. Fortunately the front subframe was prepped and powder coated by the previous owner and already has solid bushings.

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Our aircraft grade top mount bearings arrived too and with the help of the Epicenter Design adapter pieces we managed to assemble a strut.

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and we received a picture of our completed grill from Cool Wheels this week so that's quite exciting.

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Next time we update we hope to have four fully assembled struts complete with brakes and maybe a resealed diff!


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The upper strut mounts, where did you get those? And the coilover brand? or did you piece that set-up together from A-1 or similar?
That grill is going to look awesome.

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The upper strut mounts, where did you get those? And the coilover brand? or did you piece that set-up together from A-1 or similar?
That grill is going to look awesome.


It all came with the car. We think it might be custom.

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The coilovers look to be the DIY version, and the top mounts look to be from CompBrake. Should be a nice setup. Any idea what the spring rates are?

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The coilovers look to be the DIY version, and the top mounts look to be from CompBrake. Should be a nice setup. Any idea what the spring rates are?


The look a bit like these from CompBrake don't they.

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but a little different. Springs say "600" and "650". We are thinking the 650 go on the front.

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On the spring rates, I know at least in my 4000Q and coupe quattro, I was running the higher spring rates in the rear. I was told this helps with understeer and it did seem to balance things out a bit. I was running 340F/400R and that was a pretty aggressive street ride.
Possible I could have been wrong about that but that was the way it came packaged and specified from 2bennett.

What are you gonna do with the quarter panels ? Are you gonna cut them off to do the widebody?:)

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Afterthought wrote:
On the spring rates, I know at least in my 4000Q and coupe quattro, I was running the higher spring rates in the rear. I was told this helps with understeer and it did seem to balance things out a bit. I was running 340F/400R and that was a pretty aggressive street ride.
Possible I could have been wrong about that but that was the way it came packaged and specified from 2bennett.

What are you gonna do with the quarter panels ? Are you gonna cut them off to do the widebody?:)


I think I have heard that theory about running the stiffer springs in the rear and it would certainly promote oversteer vs understeer. Just seems counter intuitive considering how front heavy these cars are. Anyone else have any experience here?

quarter panels will be removed and salvaged. Hopefully someone can use them.

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The 83 quattro squad rally build keeps inching forward. A few days ago we received these beautiful G60 brake caliper brackets from a very generous chap on the Motorgeek forum. Thanks Dave, they will be put to good use.

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We offered them up to our struts and calipers and they fit perfectly.

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Only question now is how to finish these and the calipers for best effect. Options are:

1. Red powder coat
2. Black powder coat
3. Yellow dichromate like OE (gold)

Feel free to weigh in.



Here's an interesting aspect to the project. We found this 1:18 die-cast model on eBay. Quite cheap; probably because it is quite plain.

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We thought it would be a good idea to refinish it in the same livery we are planning to finish the car in. That is, our version of Rothmans with BRAID and TIM logos.

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So first we had to strip it:

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We are not sure how to proceed from here however. Damn, another bloody Quattro project! Stay tuned.

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Glad I could help on this one! This will be an amazing car when it's done. As for color, I would go with black.

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Afterthought wrote:
The upper strut mounts, where did you get those? And the coilover brand? or did you piece that set-up together from A-1 or similar?
That grill is going to look awesome.



They look like "Mance", not sure if he is still producing parts. Very nice parts.

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90 struts are two piece and essentially the same, though a bit easier to modify.

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With the caliper brackets fitting well we took the opportunity to muck up a front strut before sending the calipers off to be refinished. We are still not sure what color to refinish them. Options include black or red powder coating or gold zinc dichromate like they were from the factory.

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We started in on the model's livery. Tried some blue vinyl but we are not sure it is really suited to cars this small as it won't mold into the crevices well.

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We did one side with the factory droop to the front bumper, which we have never liked, and the other with a full straight line to the back of the headlight. Which do you prefer?

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We then added some BRAID decals

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Our BRAID wheels came in from Europe. We love 'em.

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They are three piece with hidden screws and reminiscent of the factory Speedlines. Specs are 16x9, et12. We could resist throwing one on our 85 but, of course, they are way too wide for this car.

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As part of our quest to prep as many parts that are going to need refinishing as possible we pressed out the bushings from the lower control arms.

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and disassembled some Hella 2000 lights as we have some chrome ones that need to be black.

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This is the pile so far. The parts in front still need disassembling.

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