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We started our build a few years ago, building the car to Rally America spec.
The car was a parts car but it was just right for building a stage rally car.
Here it is when I bought it.




Then the tear-down started.









Seat Test Fitting



Once the cage was done and inspected it was time for paint







Starting the strips




The strips are done







A little extra



The car arrived painted with 3 weeks before the rally and no engine, brakes or wiring.





Thanks to 034 and their engine management system, the car started on the 3rd try after an increase to the main fueling parameter.
We used the IIb engine management system, the engine is a 10V Normally Aspirated 2.2L 4000 quattro engine, with a 272 cam from Techtronics tuning, along with an adjustable cam gear, and high compression Wossner flat top pistons. The engine is completely balanced. The clutch is a Spec 3+ and the flywheel is a lightened 034 flywheel.

After 2 and a half weeks We were loaded up and going to the rally.







 

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We ran our first rally in Feb. the 100 Acre Wood rally in Salem MO.
Our goal was to finish and we did that.
Had to overcome a strut that was falling off after the first 3 stages and a CV joint that fell off on the transit to the final 3 stages, that cost us some penalty time but did not stop us from finishing.

Here are some shots of the car at the rally





The engine attracted a large crowd










I have also posted this on SpecialStage if you want to follow the link:
http://www.specialstage.com/forums/showthread.php?44454-1985-Audi-4000-Quattro-Rally-Car-Build

and I have a few other pictures on my picasa page
https://picasaweb.google.com/116740220905306898456/Audi4000QuattroRallyCar#

I hope you have enjoyed it, I will try to update from time to time and give more detailed pictures of the interior and engine.

Once again a big thanks to 034 for the great products that kept our Old Audi on the road.

Kendal
 

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psychorallyfreak said:
Are there any other events you're planning on attending? Sweet build.
We plan to run the Perryville Farm and Forest Rally in Perryville Missouri, it runs towards the end of October.
We would also like to run some rallycross events over the summer, just as a way to fine tune the car.
We would run more events but there are not many close enough to us. If the Paris Rally in Texas was still going we would run that event as well.
I am glad you like it.
 

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Twintowers said:
Car looks awesome what size tires are you running and spring setup?
We are running either 185 or 195 14" tires. The ones on the car were all we could find in 14" and heavy ply before the rally.
We are looking for Used or New 14" rally tires if anyone has some send me a personal message.

Springs are cut down Cadillac springs. Front springs NCP 2773212. Rear springs NCP 2773204.
The front springs were a little stiff on the first rally but have been cut down and are now better, but we will upgrade to real suspension once funds get build back up.

A4V8swap: Thanks, we could not build an Audi Rally car without the signature paint scheme, it is timeless.

PRA4WX: Thanks. Nice Calvin quote.
 

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pkw said:
kendalwoolf said:
Twintowers said:
Car looks awesome what size tires are you running and spring setup?
The front springs were a little stiff on the first rally but have been cut down and are now better,
cutting down springs makes them stiffer. maybe you mean they were too tall and cut them down and now they work better?
Your correct they were too long and the preload was very high, so cutting them down made them "softer". The struts can now move instead of being stuck at the top, Much better
 

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rallynz said:
I love the 4000! I like to see too that you are starting with an NA 10v...lots of guys try to start with too much power and end up in a tree...

This was my rally ride for quite a while:

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Thanks,
The NA 10v is enough power for us, with the cam, high compression/flat top pistons and the 034 fuel system we still have some more power we can get out of the engine, plus if we go turbo we have to run the open class.

Very nice video, we hope to get our speed up as we run more events and stay out of the trees.
Here is a video of us from the 100AW rally

 

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Some updates to the rally car.
Installed rally tires and wired up and installed our rally computer.

Getting ready for the Perryville Rally.













 

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Dan McBoost said:
I'm in love.

Awesome, just awesome.
Glad you like it.
We were going for a classic look and I think we achieved it.
Check out this YouTube video of the 1983 Mintex Rally at the 55sec mark, we replicated this Audi 80/4000 almost exactly.

 

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2013 Perryville Rally Update.

We finished the rally 14th overall and 7th in class.
This was a very fun rally. We only had one incident with two bad spark plugs on the first 4 stages, it caused us to be down on power for those stages but new plugs fixed us up for the final 4 stages.
We are getting faster and are looking forward to 100AW and Perryville next year.
Enjoy the photos and videos.

















More photos at my picasa site:
https://picasaweb.google.com/kendal...onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
 

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2014 100 Acre Wood Rally Update:

Car ran great both days, Finished 9th in class both days.
19th overall at Tresspassers Wil regional
15th overall at 100 Acre Wood regional
Still making small adjustments to the car. We need to get the lights adjusted for the night stages.
Also talked with Tim O'Neil about setting up the car, He really enjoyed the car and suggested that we change noting about the car.
We are going to do some testing with the differentials locked and see how that performs, Tim said that is how they run the Audi rally cars at the rally school.
Enjoy the pictures and the videos.









The 3rd video has our one spin of the rally when a rear ball joint came loose and caused a little rear-wheel-steering. We stopped short of the large log and tree, that could have been the end of the rally for us, thankfully it was not.


 

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A few weeks ago we took the rally car out for some testing with the differentials locked.
Car was much more predictable and stable.
Also weighted the car:
Total Weight race ready with 2 gallons of gas and no driver or co-driver 2910 lbs
Weight on Front Axle: 1600 lbs 55% front
Weight on Rear Axle: 1310 lbs 45% rear
Not bad weight distribution, it helps that we carry 2 spares, the battery and tools in the trunk.







 

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40v4kq said:
What suspension do you have? pics?
I do not have pictures of the suspension, but we are running Bilstein HD Struts on all corners and modified Cadillac springs: NCP 2773212 Front and NCP 2773204 Rear.
Not ideal but gets the job done for now and stays within our budget.

mr_aj_johnson said:
Can you snap a couple pics of your rear firewall? and what material did you use?
The 4000 has an intact rear firewall like what is pictured below. We just filled in the holes with some similar thickness sheet metal and welded it in, it took a while but meets the requirements. Over the struts we have some aluminum pieces that can be removed to allow access to the top of the struts.


 

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mr_aj_johnson, we also thought about the new metal sheet over everything for the rear fire wall but with the few holes we had be just welded them.
The JVAB suspension looks very nice and I am sure the 50mm struts are great. We are sill on one piece suspension so it makes it a little harder to swap out suspension components, but we would love to get some of the 50mm stuff.

As for cost of our rally car I think we are in it for about $8,000, the safety equipment adds up fast. You can build or buy a used rally car for less money, buying used also saves a lot of time. We rebuilt the engine and installed 034 IIb standalone fuel injection and are running race fuel that increased the price. Entry fees for the large region and national events are expensive ($800 for both days regional competitors for 100 Acre Wood Rally), the smaller regional events are much easier on the wallet.

Check out http://rally-america.com/ to find races in your area, there are 2 in MI, Snow Drift and Lake Superior and one in MN, Ojibwe Forests Rally, along with a few regional only rallies.
 

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Just an update from the 2014 Show Me Rally.
The car ran Great. Differential locks worked great and made the car much more predictable on the gravel.
We improved our time on the 100 Acre Wood super special by around 4 seconds and we set faster times on all the repeated stages the second time through.
The final result were 2nd in Open Light and 9th Overall. We are very happy with the result and look to keep improving at 100 Acre Wood in February.
Due to a scoring error on Stage 4 our official time is not correct. We should have a Stage 4 time of 8:02.8 giving us a total time of 51:23.7 which put us in 9th overall.
Enjoy the pictures and the videos.















 

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kido81 said:
might be a stupid question but do you still have the carpet from the car??
It does look awesome...
The carpet is long gone. It was not salvageable, the car was a parts car and was parked with the widows open for many years and the carpet just crumbled when we removed it.

Yes the car is very fun. Now that we are reliable it makes the events very enjoyable.
We are just preparing for the 100 Acre Wood rally next.
Thanks for the interest.
 

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100 Acre Wood was not the typical gravel rally, with ice and snow covering most of the stages but the Audi did well.
We were able to recce the first day of stages and made notes on the road conditions. This helped us keep speed up in the mostly gravel sections and slow down during the icy parts.
Like everyone we had moments of sliding and spinning on the ice but the results for the first day were very good.
We finished 9th in the open light class and 20th overall in regional (27th overall, regional and national combined out of 60)

The second day was a lot slower for us due to less confidence in the road conditions, we did not recce those stages. We were also just behind the large accident after the first service so we only ran 3 stages on the second day. Not how we wanted day two to go. Results for the 3 stages we did run put us 9th in the open light class and 21st overall in regional.

Looking at our combined times from both days compared to the entire field we finished 6th in open light class and 25th overall.
This is our best finish and the stage times keep getting faster.

We had a lot of interest in the car during parc expose this year. It was great to meet all the people that were cheering for the Audi. Enjoy the pictures and videos. I will post some in-car video soon.













 

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The 2015 Headwaters rally went well for us. We finished 5th overall and 3rd in the open light class. The heat in the car and in my race suit caused me to not be able to keep on the notes after about the 13 mile mark on the 20 mile stage so we were not driving up to our full potential but we still had a good rally. The first stage was our best stage time and this was with a minute and a half stop to check on the other Audi that was flipped on its roof off the road. We were glad no one was hurt, and in a situation like that we want to make sure we see the OK sign before we continue. If we take that minute thirty second time stop out we would be 20 sec from the fastest stage time, not bad for being off notes for the last 7 miles.
The car ran without any issues and hopefully we can put together a complete run at the Show-Me Rally in September.
Enjoy the Videos and Pictures. https://picasaweb.google.com/kendalwoolf/2015HeadwatersRally?authuser=0&feat=directlink








 

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mr_aj_johnson said:
That is one fantastic looking tow rig.
Thanks. When we painted the trailer we thought we would do the truck as well. It makes us look more "professional" than we are. Truth be told the truck is just one of our farm trucks and the trailer is a converted Little Debbie trailer, but they work well together.
 

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Thunderbox said:
It's really great to see my old car doing so well. I am glad you were able to restore it to it's intended use. It has been quite awhile since you towed it out of the driveway. I still regret letting it go but I am quite happy with my 86 5K. I am still subscribed to your youtube channel. Keep posting the video's.
It has been some time since then. Both cars you sold me are doing great. The rally car has done very well and the street 4000 Quattro is our go to winter car. It was the only thing that my wife would drive to stage during the snowy 100 Acre Wood rally. She was impressed with the traction as she passed cars in the ditches.
 

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Rallyfreak202 said:
Congrats on finishing! Glad to see the car is running well. Love to see the 4000 on stage. What events are on the calendar for rest of the year?
Thank you.
We will be running the Show-Me Rally on September 19th. That will be all for this year until 100 Acre Wood 2016. This puts us at 3 events for 2015 which is about all the budget and time will allow at the moment.
 
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