It's not like 034 have given much engineering information as to how they arrived at their given design, but what besides some internet engineering do you have to back up your claims and complaints? I haven't seen anything empirical from you besides 'ITZ ALL ABOUT THE FLOWZ, YA GOTS THE FLOWZ MANNNNN. WOOOOO WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO~~!!!!!'.
More finger room really is the "only reason" I have the filter there. Yup..just one long tube under the valve cover. Suppose could just block the inlet on both sides of the VC and like you said put the filter on the other end of the plumbing. But then when it comes to emissions..I would have to undo it for compliance.
It's not like 034 have given much engineering information as to how they arrived at their given design, but what besides some internet engineering do you have to back up your claims and complaints? I haven't seen anything empirical from you besides 'ITZ ALL ABOUT THE FLOWZ, YA GOTS THE FLOWZ MANNNNN. WOOOOO WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO~~!!!!!'.
i know and i hope you know flow numbers can be scewed and are irrelevant in some cases (as proven by a few people on here that dare to oppose the fan boys). People claiming this is a "better" alternative than a factory cast rs2 for anything other than a race/non daily application are severely jaded.
Its also clear that the engineering info they gave is ; copy and rs2 out of bigger diameter pipe and make it the same size etc so everything fits, which is fantastic and obviously going to flow more are since its a bigger diameter pipe, but the collector area is obstructed and so are most of the runners, there is alot of fighting going on in that manifold and that = turbulance correct? and turbulence is bad right? IM not an expert just sharing my opinions and findings from beating the hell out of a couple of modified 20v's.
What fun is a website when everyones on somebodys balls? controversy sells papers.
Ooh, perfect, it'll either put the turbo next to you in the passenger seat, or out the front of the car. A much better solution than a full bolt-up replacement...
ya cause a 4 cylinder manifold will totally mount to a 5 thank you captain obvious. no one said that design will fit any of our cars but they way they do the curved runners on to main tube = better than a weld el T section there is some direction to the flow instead of a head on into a wall flow.
The opening of the 'curved' runners is so large into the main chamber I'll wager there's almost ZERO benefit of doing it this way. The port is still almost completely facing wide open into the log.
Have you talked to the engineers involved in the project to determine why those bends, mild steel, and such were all used instead?
well i wasnt till my manifold cracked in half twice and my bolt in down pipe that didnt fit at all (ya still bitter). That major and expensive upset inspired me to enroll in a metallurgy class along with a fabrication/master welding class at wentworth in boston.
I bet you'd tell Corky Bell he was wrong in the end.
The opening of the 'curved' runners is so large into the main chamber I'll wager there's almost ZERO benefit of doing it this way. The port is still almost completely facing wide open into the log.
Have you talked to the engineers involved in the project to determine why those bends, mild steel, and such were all used instead?
i can drive there and ask they are somewhat local this technology is from mid 80s as well. If there was zero was benefit callaway wouldn't of done it, in the end its more expensive to do it so most dont to maximize profit and bang out the goods.
The opening of the 'curved' runners is so large into the main chamber I'll wager there's almost ZERO benefit of doing it this way. The port is still almost completely facing wide open into the log.
Have you talked to the engineers involved in the project to determine why those bends, mild steel, and such were all used instead?
i can drive there and ask they are somewhat local this technology is from mid 80s as well. If there was zero was benefit callaway wouldn't of done it, in the end its more expensive to do it so most dont to maximize profit and bang out the goods.
You know for sure it was more expensive to do it this way? You're positive that the fact the individual bends are 5x cheaper each than the T's and straights are worth that this method was more expensive than paying some fab guy to cut and weld their pipes?
Its also clear that the engineering info they gave is ; copy and rs2 out of bigger diameter pipe and make it the same size etc so everything fits, which is fantastic and obviously going to flow more are since its a bigger diameter pipe, but the collector area is obstructed and so are most of the runners, there is alot of fighting going on in that manifold and that = turbulance correct? and turbulence is bad right? IM not an expert just sharing my opinions and findings from beating the hell out of a couple of modified 20v's.
Nick, the best thing you can do to appeal to any sort of engineering aspiration is to not post unfounded rationalizations out of your butt.
You've brought absolutely nothing empirical to the table, and being mad at me isn't going to make the "ass talk" any more founded
We have never made any outrageous claims about this product other than its a simple log manifold that flows better than the OE RS2, is cheaper, easier to install and readily available here in the US. :thumbsup:
were did i say it was better ? i asked wich is easier to fit a butt end is, not a fishmouthed piece which = more fab time, which then = higher production cost. simple reading comprehension.
Also the rs2 is readily availble in the US at anytime pretty much.
Your post about refuting the garbage can flow numbers that Buffkin posted was really empirical.
were did i say it was better ? i asked wich is easier to fit a butt end is, not a fishmouthed piece which = more fab time, which then = higher production cost. simple reading comprehension.
What are the exact cost breakdowns, you apparently have the data in front of you. Do enlighten us, or please stop littering up this thread with speculation and unfounded points.
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