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Post subject: Re: Audi UR Quattro Rally Build Posted: Thu Nov 07, 2019 7:42 am |
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THE ROAD TO RADWOOD - Part 1 “The best laid schemes o' mice an' men………..” Robbie burns said that, way before Quattros were invented. Still applies today. When we left you we had just installed our center console and were about to start working on installing brake lines before we put the engine in. Well that plan got blown up as the car got invited to Radwood Detroit, the car show for 80s and 90s stuff. So our first thought was “Nah, It’s not finished” but then someone suggested that if we got it on its wheels and put the engine in it would still be cool and people would love to see it. So that’s what we did, or tried to. So this was our starting point, with the engine on a stand and just shoved into the engine bay and the car still on the wooden build table.  We didn’t have a plan for getting it off the table but thought it would be a dam site easier if the engine was still out of it. But first we had to prep a few things. Chiefly bolting the front tie rods onto the uprights. We hadn’t sourced nuts yet but realized some lug nuts of the correct thread would do for now:  And that we’d also need a steering wheel in order to manipulate it around.  We temporarily installed the rear firewall (again):  And rigged up the door strike pins so the doors would stay closed:  We also bolted down the Corbeau seats as best we could. Some adjustments will be necessary before final assembly:     Next time we'll mount the engine and transmission together and get it bolted to the chassis. 
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Post subject: Re: Audi UR Quattro Rally Build Posted: Thu Nov 21, 2019 7:43 pm |
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I'm curious what keeps the hood from closing? Is it the intake manifold? there have to be other people running that manifold with that hood
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Post subject: Re: Audi UR Quattro Rally Build Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2019 3:46 am |
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varia wrote: I really like the Motamec kit.
Can you post a few pictures how you mounted the sleeves to the chassis?
Thank you Our cage builder or body shop did the sleeves. I don't have any pictures of the process and I don't think there is much to see now bbut I'll have a look next time I'm up there. For now perhaps this video will be useful. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8ZyeCeoQn0
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Post subject: Re: Audi UR Quattro Rally Build Posted: Fri Nov 22, 2019 3:48 am |
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Afterthought wrote: I'm curious what keeps the hood from closing? Is it the intake manifold? there have to be other people running that manifold with that hood The reinforcement ribs on this hood are about twice as thick as the stock one so that is what interferes with the intake. A future update will address it.
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Post subject: Re: Audi UR Quattro Rally Build Posted: Sun Nov 24, 2019 11:28 am |
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ralleyquattro wrote: The throttle assembly looks like its sitting a bit proud. On my '84 with MTM intake, because I used one of those phenolic spacers, it pushed the assembly high enough that it would touch. Yes Martin, our adapter inadvertently kicked it up a bit. And we also have the phenolic spacer.
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Post subject: Re: Audi UR Quattro Rally Build Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 3:29 pm |
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Looks fantastic, keep up the great work!!!
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Post subject: Re: Audi UR Quattro Rally Build Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2020 9:14 am |
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HOOD CLEARANCE Back from Radwood we were inspired to get the car finished for next year. Not the least because we realized that 2020 is the 40th anniversary of the Quattro as it debuted at the Geneva Motorshow on March 1st, 1980. We don’t think we can get it ready for March but certainly having it done sometime in 2020 seems a worthy tribute. So lets get cracking! First we have to get the hood to close. It turns out the strengthening ribs on our fiber glass hood are about twice as deep as the stock hood’s. That and the fact that this engine was never meant to go in this body are hopefully why there is interference. We hope so because we decided to cut a big hole in the hood!   And then make it even bigger!   It fits now and is almost smiling. 
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Post subject: Re: Audi UR Quattro Rally Build Posted: Thu Feb 27, 2020 8:41 am |
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MIRRORS It’s nice to conquer the big projects like intercoolers and radiators but sometimes those plans get stalled due to parts availability or even just the magnitude of them. Then it can also be nice and quite gratifying to check off a small project, even something as seemingly trivial as door mirrors. Yes, we installed the door mirrors. But first we had to track some down and then decide where to put them. These cars in period were never quite the same as one another but they all seemed to share a common mirror, the now ridiculously expensive, for a mirror, Talbot bullet-shaped classic:  Price for new ones are over $300 each but, of course, something this easy to copy has been replicated by many and we found a set of knock offs in in England for just $65 .  Next massive decision: where to mount them? Some cars had them mounted to the doors in period, including the Rothmans cars after which ours is modelled. Others had them on the triangular part at the bottom of the window frames where the road car mirrors were.  Both locations position the actual glass in more or less the same place so functionally there is little to be gained with one or the other. If they mount to the doors they seem to be white and if on the window surround they are black. Also, if we mount them on the window frames we still have the problem of filling the hole left by the original mirror. At this point is should be clear where ours are going. Yes, on the window frames. They are already satin black so will not need to be refinished and they will automatically fill that little triangular hole. Well, the mirrors won’t but the triangular plate we’ll have to make will. First mockup took a lot of trial and error drilling.  Which left quite a few additional holes on the inside, which, to be fair, was always going to need a cover anyway.  We initially mocked it up in cardboard:  And then cut them out of 1/8” aluminum. A bit shorter as we realized we needed to extend the top bar in order to mount the door card.  But then we found a piece of very thin carbon fiber and decided that would be way more appropriate, especially as the surface wasn’t flat anyway.  We still made the outside pieced out of aluminum as they had to span a large void.   That gave us everything we needed.  Just had to slap it all together.     We may paint the screws and washers black one day. 
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Post subject: Re: Audi UR Quattro Rally Build Posted: Thu Mar 19, 2020 11:10 am |
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Throttle body, power steering, alternator. Pick any two! Yes, that's the conclusion we have come to trying to locate all the ancillary components in the engine bay. Right now, everything wants to be on the left side of the engine in front of the radiator. Remember, on these cars the radiator is not in front of the engine but to the side on the left. Because we are using an aftermarket intake manifold the throttle body is very close to the power steering pump. In fact, if we orient it correctly it is inside the power steering pump. We think we can rotate it 90 degrees and still mount it, though only one of the mounting holes lines up right now. Some adaptation will be necessary but we think we can make it work. Anyway, it has to be that way round to clear the hood and there is not really any room for an adapter. Even then, another issue is the outlet from the power steering pump still interferes with the throttle body, even after sourcing a really flat banjo bolt. Also, the outlet from the head coolant manifold is behind the power steering pump and very difficult to mount a pipe on. It's also heading in the wrong direction as it needs to end up behind the radiator. The coolant outlet from the block is also very tight where it passes the back of the power steering pump. Can we do without power steering?  Certainly, if we remove the power steering pump from the equation it creates some room but we are then left with an alternator stuck way out in front of the radiator and without much triangulation for the belt and no free length for the tensioner to push on. Maybe we should convert the power steering pump bracket to a second idler.  Another problem came up though: we can't seem to find a replacement alternator with the 200 amps or so we think we are going to need to power the six driving lamps and everything else. So now we have no power steering pump, no alternator and a throttle body that's held on with one bolt! What should we do? Well we think we have an elegant a solution. Firstly, why not use an electric power steering pump? They are readily available used from a variety of cars including Volvos, Toyotas etc. They can be mounted almost anywhere you can get lines and wires too as they obviously do not need a belt to drive them. They will also work even when the engine is not running which might be useful around the shop or if the engine blows up mid stage. Here’s an example of a Volvo unit.  Then we realized, if we are prepared to make a custom alternator bracket, we could use any 200 amp alternator from any vehicle. It just so happens that we have to make a custom bracket for the front engine mount on the other side of the engine and there is a nice alternator sized space doing nothing next to that. Why not source an inexpensive 200 amp remanufactured alternator from a Ford truck and mount it on the right side of the engine on a custom alternator/engine mount bracket?  These two solutions, if possible, will then result in us having only an intercooler outlet pipe in front of the radiator which can’t be a bad thing for cooling air flow, right? Subscribe to find out if any of these work out or if we go back to the drawing board.
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Post subject: Re: Audi UR Quattro Rally Build Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2020 9:00 am |
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Sorting out Radiator Choice, Placement & Mounting This is the original radiator in the stock location.   We want a much bigger aluminium radiator as this one probably isn’t big enough as it worked in conjunction with a smaller auxiliary radiator mounted behind the grill. We don’t have room nor are we inclined to use that. We found two companies that purport to sell a suitable radiator but neither returned calls or emails so we assume they are no longer supplying them. I guess we are making our own or at least getting one made for us. There are a couple of issues to consider: Any additional thickness will have to be in the front as the frame rails bend inwards just behind the radiator.  The stock radiator interferes with the AAN’s oil pan. We think this is usually solved by replacing the old pan with one from something else but maybe, as we are doing a custom radiator, we can solve it another way.  We were lucky enough to find a superb radiator shop nearby, Four Seasons Radiator Service in Madison Heights. Their bread and butter is fixing radiators of all kinds but they also make custom aluminium radiators. They are the company who recored the radiator for our 85 Quattro a few years ago so we were very confident to use them again. They took our requirements and in just a few days produced this masterpiece. They even added a Spal fan and custom shroud.   It fit perfectly but there was one small problem. Remember how we thought all the extra width had to be on the front because of the frame rail? Well we forgot about that when we asked them to add a fan and shroud. Simple solution though: notch the shroud:  Now we haven’t lost our cool we can move on to the intercooler. 
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Post subject: Re: Audi UR Quattro Rally Build Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2020 10:39 am |
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That radiator looks great . Actually the whole car looks amazing. If you decide you want more clearance, switch to use a 7A pan and pickup tube and it will gain you some space . But from the pics it looks like you have enough .
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Post subject: Re: Audi UR Quattro Rally Build Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2020 11:46 am |
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Afterthought wrote: That radiator looks great . Actually the whole car looks amazing. If you decide you want more clearance, switch to use a 7A pan and pickup tube and it will gain you some space . But from the pics it looks like you have enough . Cheers mate 
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Post subject: Re: Audi UR Quattro Rally Build Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2020 9:47 am |
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Moving into storage temporarily... They say “all good things must come to an end”. Well, this good thing has come to a screeching halt but not the end. We finally had enough of our landlord and upped sticks. We were already looking for a new building but the situation in our old space became untenable and we quickly decided we could just put everything in storage for a couple of months while we found a new home. Then the virus hit! So we still don’t have a space but we also don’t have a big rent bill every month so now we look smart. We’re not. The business is still going strong. Just not working on car projects right now. Here are some pics of the move: We decided to store it on the wheels from our 85 Quattro because the tires are 12 years old and shot and we didn’t think exposing $2000 worth of Michelin historic rally tires to freezing temperatures was a good idea.  At least we got a chance to try out our new E-Track tie-down system in our trailer.  Sad showroom  New home. Ramp was a bit steep but three wimps managed to push it in, though we had to take it off the dollies.    So now it sits surrounded by junk. Can’t wait to get a new showroom and get it finished. 
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Post subject: Re: Audi UR Quattro Rally Build Posted: Tue Aug 18, 2020 11:25 am |
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Introducing: Storage Unit Rally Build (We're still at It) We hope everyone is safe and healthy and wearing a mask. We have been hunkered down in our various basements for what feels like forever but thankful that we live in a state that has fairly low case counts lately. We still haven’t found the perfect building for our business but did come to the realization that it might be possible to continue building the car in its current location: a 30’ x 10’ storage unit! While the only electrical power is a single light fixture in the center we found it has enough juice to power an LED worklight and a drill. We don’t think we will be welding though. Of course, there is no bathroom or running water so we will have to plan ahead. First some pictures of our “facility”: Going into its new home January 29th  We managed to get it up on its pin stands ready for surgery:  We constructed this bench from an old kitchen table/chopping board complete with two Harbor Freight vices that cost less than $50 total!  And a makeshift workbench from a foldup table.  We are working with rudimentary tools and our emergency toolkit that normally is in which ever car we are driving.   As you can imagine, with one naked 60W lightbulb, it’s pretty dismal in there so we plan to rig up a LED strip light to the hood that used to hang above the work bench in our old workshop.  We realized that when we moved into the two 30’x10’ units that we packed them according to which room the stuff came out of. Consequently almost everything for the Quattro was in with the Porsche and vice versa. A bit of schlepping later and the Quattro was once again reunited with its innards. There’s not a lot of room to maneuver and it seems that every time we go looking for a part it ends up being in one of the bottom boxes. We suspect this might become quite frustrating.   And here’s what we think we can make progress on in this space. BRAKE LINES FUEL LINES COOLANT SYSTEM PCV SYSTEM IDLE AIR SYSTEM OIL COOLER ENGINE WIRING LOOM INTAKE SYSTEM/AIRFILTER HEATER CONTROLS AND DUCTS VARIOUS BODYWORK BITS DOOR HANDLES Basically anything that just involves bolting parts on and maybe drilling holes. Let’s see how realistic this plan turns out over the next few (hopefully) weeks. 
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Post subject: Re: Audi UR Quattro Rally Build Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 1:01 pm |
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Looks like you need some free-standing shelf units to make organization easier...But, good luck, I've done wrenching in a garage that was no better than your storage unit. Sucks, but it is doable. Good luck and keep at it!!
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Post subject: Re: Audi UR Quattro Rally Build Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2020 5:53 am |
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cuatrokoop wrote: Looks like you need some free-standing shelf units to make organization easier...But, good luck, I've done wrenching in a garage that was no better than your storage unit. Sucks, but it is doable. Good luck and keep at it!! Thanks for the encouragement cuatrokoop. We have a bunch of shelves in the Porsche unit but they are all full. If we'd planned to work on the car when we in things would be different.
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Post subject: Re: Audi UR Quattro Rally Build Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2020 4:49 pm |
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I love following this thread for the updates! Hopefully you can make some progress working out of that space!!!
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Post subject: Re: Audi UR Quattro Rally Build Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2020 7:41 pm |
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team illuminata wrote: Thanks for the encouragement cuatrokoop. We have a bunch of shelves in the Porsche unit but they are all full. If we'd planned to work on the car when we in things would be different. I hear you, it's hard to plan ahead when you have no idea something like this is going to happen...
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