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Noisy Cricket said:
The marks line up, it will BE at cylinder #1.
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Unless the wires on the cap have actually been moved, but if it ran before is all that should have to happen is to stick the distributor in, line up the lines, and put the cap on that can only go on one way because of the index tab. If you do this and don't like the orientation of the wires, hall sensor, and cap in general, the distributor can be pulled and rotated either way a few teeth until cap orientation is to your liking as long as the lines are still lined up.
 
Discussion starter · #23 ·
I have lined up both marks on the distributor to cylinder #1 millions of times. I have done in 180 on just to see if I did something backwards, I have lined the marks up in every way. The only thing I haven't done is take off the valve cover and go tooth by tooth until I find the right orientation.
 
im not positive on the mac11 losing its signal due to ms...

My guess is your hall sensor is pooched.

Don't try to bench test the thing, that will lead to a fried part.

simply pull the rubber boot off the factory 3 pin connector and back probe it with the ignition on, coil disconnected and the cap and rotor off. turn the engine by hand and verify you are seeing 0 volts with the window there and 5 volts or more with the window not there. it might be opposite of that but just make sure your getting a full clean sharp swing and difference.

if you REALLY must do ignition with megasquirt. be advised, its just as much of a bitch to set that up, as to set up the factory distributor timing in the first place. it is NOT plug and play.

You can get a 5 window distributor from any 4000, 5000, quantum, and i beleive vanagon or eurovan with a 5 cylinder n/a engine. also you should lock the timing, or install the 5 window ring into your current distributor for more simple timing control.

if you ask me if you have lined it up and it still does not work, id likely suspect the sensor is faulty. who knows, i say just test the thing instead of ripping your hair out in frustration. back probe it with the ignition on and rotate the engine to see if the thing is actually changing values
 
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So, when I check pins 1 and 2 and rotate the distributor i get about .70v sheilded or not... with the distributor not connected I never get any voltage on pins 1 and 2... Even without the distributor connected I should still see 4v at pins 1 and 2 right?
 
what happens when you measure between pins 2 and 3? and when you measure pins 1 and 3

im sorry but i am lacking the necessary wiring diagrams to help you hear. But i used the tach output from the mac11 to feed the megasquirt board.

regarding the coil... i do not know what could be keeping the coil grounded, however if the coil is hot to the touch, AND your not getting any voltage at the pins for the distributor maybe you popped the ecu? check the ecu fuse in the fusebox and verify please.
if the fuse is ok, then I recommend you check other ecu supplied voltages, such as the throttle switches, and the 02 sensor input and the thermosensor (not the temperature sensor for the gauge!)

if you have a spare mac11 id suggest swapping it but thats risky until you determine what killed the mac11 if its dead.

MY advice. If you did pop the mac11 then it might be wise to switch to megasquirt and spark however there is alot of work to be done for that swap. you need a 5 window hall ring (maybe one from a repair kit instead of risking ruining it taking it out of another distributor), a distributor with locked timing. an LED test light, a 5k resistor to act as a pullup resistor for the hall sensor signal at the megasquirt, and then to verify your running the megasquirt n spark code.

Also you need an ignition driver if you want to keep things simple. an MSD or a Crane cams or even a factory vw/audi ignition driver is fine. The driver needs to be wired to megasquirt and then to the coil (duh). This makes life simple since megasquirt tells the unit when to fire, but the driver controls the coil dwell and power regulation ect... You can connect the coil directly to megasquirt through the ignition driver fet, however you will need to then program and tune the correct dwell for the car to run properly.

I say if you care about the car throw a cheap high power driver on there, makes life easy and you can net multi spark discharge, and other benifits.

after that

basically you need to set the engine to TDC install the distributor so cylinder 1 fires at correct phasing (generally 40-60 deg btdc) and then adjust the static timing and offset using a timing light and megasquirt. once the static timing is set, you can program the timing map and variables.

im pretty good with electronics, and pretty good with cars, and the whole job took me about 4 hours for just the distributor modifications, install, and setup of megasquirt. another hour of tuning and I had a reasonable ignition map.

The thing i hate most about the install... the distributor jitter.... if you do not modify the distributor and knock out all the free play you have a bit of jitter. about 2-3 degrees.

the things i regret? loss of boost control from the mac11, along with emission drive... im talking about the evap canister purge, thats actually useful and does not cost any horsepower at all, and you get better economy because of it. that along with knock control from the mac11. slightly dampened knock control but really effective.

things i like the most is the adjustability of the timing and ability to run very advanced ignition during cruise and idle. nets you alot more torque and smoother idle. and you can even have the timing retarded with a very cold engine to promote faster warmup.
the megasquirts knock control is ok... but at the time i never got the boost control to work properly with the stock audi valve ect... so i left it off.
 
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I have decided to pay a few hundred dollars and have it started and tuned at the same time. I called around and I have everything in place to start there's just something I'm missing. The shop said they will get it started and tuned on the dyno so I'm just doing that. I am well below budget and at this point I just want to car to run and have fun with it. I haven't worked on the car in 4 or 5 months and it would take me a week or two to figure out where I left off and then read and read forever to maybe get the car started... This way it's running, dyno tuned, and I get some professional help with making it the best it can be.
 
it can be locked but you have to also lock the centrifugal advance. it is far easier to just install the hall ring in your original distributor.

use alot of tapping and oil and patients removing that thing, if the ring is stuck you do not want to distort it in the slightest, otherwise it will not work properly.
 
bumping this thread as I have a similar issue on my '91 200 with the 3B engine.

I looked for the 2 marks on the distributor that were mentioned but it seems that these 2 marks may not both exit on the 3b distributor? If I believe the cam gear is not in the right location in relation to TDC (is it even possible to install this in the wrong place) but the distributor looks to be correct with the flywheel at TDC, how can I be sure the 2 are lined up?

I am going to probe at the connections first, just to make sure I'm getting the supply voltage and I'll also attempt to back-probe to see if the signal is switching

The reason I think the cam gear is not installed properly is that the dot on the gear face is about 90* off the arrow on the top of the valve cover. The *rotor* looks correct at this point though, so I'm not sure what to think. I think the timing belt may have jumped, but I wouldn't think it jumped 90*! (cam degrees)

-adam
 
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